David Gergen: “He's not saying, let's pull out. He's saying, let's downside. And that's moving toward, in effect, a plan B.”

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

I don't think Trump is out of the woods, even though his poll numbers are not only staying up, they have actually been strengthened some.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…