David Gergen: “If you work with the other side too closely and we're going to burn you.”

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

Sadly, you know, I think for a variety of reasons he should not. I just, I don't think either Trump or Biden should be running.

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.