David Gergen actually said...

It did, it did, Anderson. And I do think you're right to talk about the respect in which Mr. Taylor is held widely.

It has been American foreign policy for some time now to support and strengthen Ukraine, to come to the aid of those leaders.

Instead, what the president listened to with Putin and Orban and Giuliani and it soured his view on the Ukrainians.

It's now apparent from what we've learned from these courageous State Department officials as well as others that this was a very big deal. ...