David Gergen: “You also work with the Democrats to try to -- on the Hill to try to push a jobs stimulus program.”

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

I think the evidence is still coming in that this country is deeply divided.

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

Maintaining the status quo with regard to the filibuster is unacceptable for him.