David Gergen: “If people -- if two-thirds of the people in the country think that we're going to be in better shape a year from now why…”

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

He is unfit for office right now.

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.