David Gergen actually said...

If you have evidence that the President directed most of this, he directed Giuliani, he directed Mulvaney on - on, you know, on - on a variety of issues, if you have that kind of information, even though you may not have obvious intent or obvious evidence, isn't that persuasive--

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David Gergen discusses the implications of evidence showing that President Trump directed actions involving Giuliani and Mulvaney.

11/13/2019

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