David Gergen: “This meeting historically has not been one you chew over a program ... This is really an opportunity to get the…”

But I think, to go to David Urban's point, what was she calling about? Well, she was calling, she testified, because she thought there was fraud that had been committed, and had not yet been explored, and that it ought to be studied before…

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

The midterms really helped him. They transformed the race, best midterm elections for any president in 20 years.