David Gergen: “I don't want to get into a big argument but he has not been tough on Russia. He's been in alignment with Vladimir Putin.”

He is a leader there's no question about that. But I think he's a bad leader. I think he's leaving his people into, he's leading the country, especially into a very bad place.

I think, basically, this is about power. I think he wants to cripple Joe Biden before he ever gets started.

I think the signs are just as Margaret says. They are saying that he is increasingly interested. Strikingly, Anderson, his interest seems to intensify when he sees Biden in trouble.

It is vital that as President, tell his base and tell the whole country that he believes Joe Biden is a legitimate President, that he has not been put there by fraud.