David Gergen: “It is destructive of ever getting back on the track that Governor Kasich was describing.”

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.

I think the turning point that came were the midterm elections. The fever broke with those midterm elections. And what we've seen since then is a steady decline in Trump's credibility and in his position with the American people, and a…

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?