David Gergen: “Well, that's exactly right. And I think, on this one, the administration faces a very painful dilemma.”

If he had a receptive audience, and I will tell you, when everything -- when all the facts were to come out, it would be like Nixon and the tapes.

I don't think Trump is out of the woods, even though his poll numbers are not only staying up, they have actually been strengthened some.

I think this the very idea that in 2024, we may have two men running against each other Biden and Trump, who would both be in their 80s if elected, that it too is enough to say, well, what are we doing here?

It's very, very big. Not legally, but politically, it's a very, very big deal.