Mike Johnson actually said...

Second, be revenue neutral. Do not give up on the revenue.

I think we want to be careful not to encourage overborrowing. But you are absolutely right that the level of interest rate on some of these ...

One of the things that I hear a lot from entrepreneurs when I talk with them is the weakness of our infrastructure.

I think it was Mr. Blumenauer who was making the point about the gas tax and the need for investment in roads.