If the gentlewoman would yield, I think that we have to be really clear here that this is not a valid substantive debate. I think that we tend to want to address substantive arguments to refute the misinformation that you describe. This is an ideological debate that is about one thing only, and it is about busting up the union. It's an ideological debate. It's about privatizing a pension system. It's an ideological debate that says that services can be provided better in the private sector. So I think we have to be very clear here that if this were a valid substantive debate, then I think that the workers of Wisconsin would win on that. This is an ideological battle. It's an ideological battle that's rooted in tearing apart, slashing and burning public sector workers under the ruse, under the guise of balancing a budget.
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The speaker addresses the ideological nature of the debate surrounding public sector unions and pension privatization.
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