01/30/2013
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"The consequence of that today is the gap with which most of us are not particularly happy."
"I am doing this calculation mentally, but it would probably be about $18 billion over to close the gap..."
"I think I understand your reasons for saying that as of now, we shouldn't plan on going to Mars in the way that has been described."
"if we intend to have a viable human space exploration program in this country, we are going to need to step up to the plate and provide funds necessary to make it work"