Richard Durbin actually said...

What we are saying is we should sanction human rights violators who, by the way, happen to be people that travel to the United States with i...

I think you continue to make arguments against sanctions. And I have to ask you, What is your alternative?

I think it has a lot to do with the fact that they are under the same pressure when it comes to energy and when it comes to Venezuelan oil.

Why would we not say that?