02/23/2009
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"Thank you, Mr. Chairman."
"My feeling is that there has got to be a better way."
"Somehow we have to get the message out to the public. And that is when Congress will respond."
"What I would like is--and when I say blow it up, is to create, you know, in your mind a theoretical in an ideal world, the utopia that you talked about, what would it look like..."