Tom Harkin: “I think we ought to have more like this. I would be glad to discuss it even further because I think we start to get to…”

“I think we ought to have more like this. I would be glad to discuss it even further because I think we start to get to the real differences here and the views of what we are trying to do here in this bill. Again, I guess the Senator and I just have a gentlemen's disagreement on the role of labor and management in our society. Again, I have seen so many times in our country where management is open, respectful, where they really encourage employees to get together, to organize and to bargain with them in good faith. That is the most productive unit you have in America. It is the cases where an employer comes in and says, ``Look, I know what is best. I will set up the structure. You can give me your advice if you want, but if I do not like it I will throw it out the door,'' and there is not the sense that workers really have a legitimate role to play in the decisions that affect their very jobs, that affect the future of that plant. When that happens, then I think productivity falls.”