09/13/2009
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"Well, again, they may be--correct me if I am wrong, they may be nonprofit, but they do make money."
"I mean, there would obviously be a bias for the employer to get it down."
"Thank you again for always being there, Senator Harkin."
"We are going to do something about it. I just don't know exactly what. That is why we have got you here."