I think 'and' actually, the use of the word 'and' actually, makes it tougher.
Ted Deutch: “I think 'and' actually, the use of the word 'and' actually, makes it tougher.”
On the recordMay 21, 2013
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Deutch agrees that using 'and' complicates the sanction exception criteria.
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