12/05/2012
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"Over 80?"
"The other thing too, Gerry, is we are asking people to dismantle sort of the standard operating safe procedure..."
"Isn't GSA the one that's doing the certification, or responsible for it?"
"So we need to get, first of all, some stability in the certification process, and people certified, then some motivation, and some empowerment of those charged with this responsibility to move forward..."