John Mica actually said...

I want to thank, again, Mr. Connolly for his steadfast commitment to, again, going after abuses where we see it.

So you lost money there. Okay.

Well, there may be a very legitimate purchase requirement. But for the rest of DHS, it's $31,000 that we have been able to identify.

Okay. And Mr. Lewis, in your testimony, you just testified that you found about 35 percent of the purchases with a credit card were abusive ...