12/05/2011
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"Oh, okay. Just like IRS, it leads to the White House."
"We spent billions. I had the staff starting to count this. TWIC is half a billion by itself."
"I guess if I put it in law that they should attend the meetings, that would be used as an excuse."
"Well, we have to get people talking to each other. We have to get the standards set."