John Mica actually said...

Mr. Elkins, with the EPA it appears that actions taken by the EPA in really ignoring you and allowing whistleblowers and others to be intimi...

you've got to have the ability to hire and fire.

we have to do that, because you--we heard oh, there's no command. Well, hell, you don't have the ability to command, because your hands are ...

Until you address this fundamental problem, that Director, or whoever succeeds him will not succeed in managing his personnel.