06/18/2013
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"The losses were staggering, or the indebtedness of the healthcare, a huge portion of that."
"Well, most of this effort has been to seek some justice in the pension, but the healthcare is actually--you have not been able to pursue."
"The Pension Guaranty Fund, which was supposed to help you, did not help you."
"It may be necessary to go after additional folks in different agencies."