Jeff Miller: “I can tell you this, after what I heard today I am less convinced that the appropriate leadership is in place at the…”

They are cooking the books. That is what they said in the very beginning about Phoenix.

It's almost as if they're afraid to take the toughest disciplinary action that needs to be taken. And that is to fire somebody.

What is even more stunning, Anderson, is the fact that the department has the ability to send veterans out into the private sector using fee basis care. So it is not even like the department does not have a tool or the avenue to get the…

I will say this that I know the acting secretary is out and he is making some very positive changes, but the bureaucracy is still so big. There has to be accountability and people have to pay with their jobs and in some instances, there's…