Byron Donalds actually said...

I would argue that information and education is far better than regulation and elimination.

But, Commissioner, we are going to acknowledge the fact that, yes, there are black markets propping up, whether it is illicit cigarettes or,...

We do have to go to a payment subsidized system where we give that voucher if they want to call it, and I'm not afraid to call it a voucher ...

That is how we have been able to lower our carbon emissions in the United States over the last 15 years.