04/20/2010
https://www.congress.gov...
"We really want to peel back the onion and get into a lot of the specifics of the extraordinary work that you have done, Mr. Augustine."
"the human spaceflight program is so large that when it has problems, it tends to cannibalize the science program."
"How do you answer this question that we have spent $8 billion thus far on the present architecture, which includes Ares I, and now we are going to abandon that, having spent $8 billion?"
"Well, that would be then more like Option 5C, flexible path Shuttle derived?"