Joseph Lieberman actually said...

Mr. Sullivan and Dr. Gansler, I have several concerns with the acquisition system as it currently operates.

The DOD's S&T program must be adequately funded to 'stay ahead'; and, traditionally, whenever there is a shortage of DOD money it is one of ...

I think, clearly, for research-and-development-type activities, cost-plus is an appropriate way to do it.

It's probably not been an exciting hearing in content, but it's actually very important, an educational hearing.