Joseph Lieberman actually said...

"Mr. Sullivan and Dr. Kaminski, are either the JCIDS or PPBE as currently constructed able to overcome parochial service interests in this regard?"

"No. We are short in both quantity and quality of staffing, and are not using the latest tools to support early modeling, simulation, and testing."

"I think, clearly, for research-and-development-type activities, cost-plus is an appropriate way to do it."

"Good. Get it for the record, please."