Jim Himes actually said...

When Liz Cheney comes out with a statement that is actually more blistering than a lot of Democrats, what you're seeing is you're seeing the ground open.

Context

Himes comments on Liz Cheney's strong stance against Trump and the division within the Republican Party.

01/12/2021

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