09/14/2022
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"I think in Ukraine, we need to come to the realization that Putin does not want to militarily own Ukraine."
"I think that our way forward is to work openly with the governments, to work openly with democracy and governance."
"Thank you, both of you, for your willingness to serve."
"So what is the best course of action to try to address insufficiencies that the administration has identified?"