John W. Hickenlooper: “Right, which is regrettable.”

I think one of the things we are recognizing is that there is a lack, a dire lack of counselors around the country

I think that is the--even some of the discussions about copper and mining and a lot of these things, we are having to look at them in a new light, and our forests, NEPA, each of these historical, important sets of rules, we have to examine…

We are seeing the planning at the fireshed level, trying to make us more resilient from future wildfires.

I do want to--you each to talk about collaboration, and that takes more time, more money, more people, and yet it is crucial, and yet, we are going to likely enter a phase where we are not going to have more money.