On the recordMarch 28, 1998
Let me ask a question, a followup question that may seem almost simpleminded to you, but I think the answer--whatever answer you give will give me some indication about where the conversation should go. Why has the crime rate gone up so much in the last 4 years? Anybody can take it. [A participant suggested the crime levels had previously been under- reported, but that gangs now offered youth the same type of subcultural identity as anti-apartheid political parties had, with the added benefit of wealth potential. He defined the problem as one of identity, culture, economics, and education, and said the government had to confront its lack of technical capacity to implement its policy.]
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