Bill Clinton: “You know, the question that I wanted to ask, because this MIT thing is so unusual, is, do you believe that they knew it…”

“You know, the question that I wanted to ask, because this MIT thing is so unusual, is, do you believe that they knew it was going on before? And if they didn't know it was going on before--but all the women you went to had immediately related in the same way you did and signed up--how did it happen? Because I think this is something that data may not tell you. But I think this is what is really important, because there may be a lot of organizations out there where this sort of just creeps in, but the people now running these organizations don't know it. And what I'm hoping is that--it's not like--it may not be as overt as it was when Carolyn was in the work force, so how do you think this happened? It's very impressive that the president said, ``Okay, let's go do the right thing.'' But that raises the question of how did it happen in the first place? [Professor Hopkins stated that the top levels where power resided were the last frontier of the civil rights/ affirmative action process. She said that the discrimination there wasn't conscious, and thus the women themselves weren't aware of it; however, gender bias that was small in each instance added up to 20 percent pay.]”