04/12/2021
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"We want the end result, don't we?"
"We want these programs to work. And we have to measure them. And if they don't work, we figure out something that will work."
"I hope you're committed to that."
"In fiscal year 2012, I believe we need to make cuts to our discretionary budget. I don't think we have any choice."