03/25/2009
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"We know we have some difficult issues and difficult days ahead."
"Would you expand on some of these emerging fraud schemes and how fraud and abuse has evolved?"
"A lot of it's basic--not basic for yesterday, but for tomorrow--information technology, the explosion is, and you're using those tools, are you not?"
"And when people cheat, they're cheating everybody else, aren't they?"