02/09/2009
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"Don't forget a balanced approach."
"What we want to do is create jobs, sustain jobs, isn't it?"
"But the bottom line is, and you know this well, is you have to measure what we are spending money for, what is working and what is not working, what centers are efficient and which ones aren't."
"the real unemployment rate would be 14.9 percent."