Mike Rogers actually said...

There are--there are countries who are engaged in ramping up their cyber capabilities that might not be friendly to the United States.

It does two things. Helps our own infrastructure ecosystem, people who are trusted vendors, to do that, No. 1.

What we know is they'd love to get access to people's data from a nation-state perspective.

Kim Jong Un, who said the thing that's going to keep me in charge are nuclear weapons and cybersecurity, offensive cybersecurity.