Mike Rogers actually said...

When you pay it, guess what? More people are deciding they want to get into the business and try and extract you from your money, and that's...

There are--there are countries who are engaged in ramping up their cyber capabilities that might not be friendly to the United States.

I would look at all the ways they're coming at us.

What we know is they'd love to get access to people's data from a nation-state perspective.