10/06/2009
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"The President did contend that he could cut spending without reducing benefits."
"That money, that is the public debt."
"I don't think we can avoid that responsibility that we have to defend the country, and sometimes defending the country is better to be done abroad and early rather than late."
"I have used the public debt simply because nobody disputed that that was a bottom-line debt figure."