We do not have a person in charge of Congress.

If you do not, it did not seem like the penalties were substantial.

I think like many that serve with me, we are discouraged by the high levels of waste, fraud, and abuse that were associated with our Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) relief efforts.

It sounds like it is something that has to be executed by the Executive Branch. If they are not moving on that front you are looking to Congress to insist that they do move on that front.

Let the record show that the Democratic Party is in the majority in Congress now, so they take full responsibility.

I want to thank you and GAO for the extensive work that you do in, if you will, accounting for what is happening in our government, those things that are measured, or those things you can control.

If you do not, it did not seem like the penalties were substantial.

I must admit, I am a little frustrated sometimes. We will call for the Administration to do something, on the Executive Branch to do something, and we ask them to do so much stuff that it does not happen.

The best solution is to rescind the rule.

How can Utah ranchers, farmers, and recreationalists have their voices heard, when you are not responding to our letters and you are not holding hearings?

I think my question is what would have been preserved, and particularly in the south, that was not preserved because this rule was not in place?

This rule undermines the work of real conservatives, conservationists like farmers and ranchers who have kept the land in good health.

Let me state clearly for the record that for decades, and decades, and decades, the good people of Utah have managed these lands in a responsible way.

We have bureaucrats on the East Coast who have never been to my district, who have hardly been to the West, other than to fly over it on their way to California, tell us that they know better than we do how to manage these lands.

The best environmentalists in the world--by the way, they hate to be called environmentalists, our farmers and ranchers are the best environmentalists in the world--have been taking care of and preserving and protecting these lands.

This rule undermines the work of real conservationists, like farmers and ranchers who have kept the land in good health for generations.

I am incredibly surprised by how this rule came forward because of how it is established, and it is ignoring the long-set precedent that ranchers take every day to manage lands, and not asking for their input.

Nothing good has come out of that designation for the land in Utah, for the local tribes, and for the people who participate in this land.