People in prisons are people. They have moms and dads and husbands and wives and kids. And they are not statistics.

I think there is a unique opportunity. I think we are coming to a storm economically.

We are going to offer an amendment that sets up a program whereby prisoners can work on making products that are no longer made in the United States.

I think a job is the most important, centering thing, for all of us, an important centering part of our lives.

I am going to offer an amendment here to set up a pilot program to have prisoners working.

Why don't we do that?

But to have the Saudi government who really I do not think is a very-- helped create the problem that we are facing.

I was the author with Senator Kennedy on the Prison Rape bill.

We are down to 17 percent.

I was opposed to what the Congress did on Prison Industries.

If we do not have productive, number one education programs, and number two, the Prison Industries Program, or some form of it, we cannot possibly ensure that inmates learn how to work.

Well, Mr. Chairman, could we try a pilot?

I think it is an embarrassment that the United States has the largest per capita prison system now in the world.

But I still see articles in the paper about it, though. You still see more at state and local prisons, but it is still----

I do not think you can put a man in prison for years and not give him work. I just do not think you can.

It is fair to say Congress has just made it hard.

I mean, that is a legitimate, we think a legitimate question.

I think it is interesting. Kansas is different than, I mean, you have different areas.