Tom Carper actually said...

"Most of us in this room today, however, understand that we simply cannot cut our way out of debt, tax our way out of debt, or save our way out of debt."

"If we remain on our current course, our debt may double again by the end of this decade."

"I think it is important for us to identify best practices."

"So in terms of the meaningfulness of 8 or 17, that is just a drop in the bucket, isn't it?"