I would be doing better if this mike would stay put.

I think one of the reasons why welfare reform has been, by most people's judgment, a terrific success--not for everybody, but for most people--is that case rolls are down by half, and people who have gone to work are better off.

What if it does not work?

Historically it has been funded out of CDBG, but as I understand it, it would be funded under your budget proposal, out of the capital funds, which would mean the $417 million reduction would be more like $472 million.

I am intrigued by the notion, and I am a person who likes to figure out what works to solve our problems and not be doctrinaire about it.

What we have done is change the rules...so that people are actually materially better off going to work.