So we've had some money available, but it hasn't been made available to Baltimore. Can you help me understand this a little bit better?

It's interesting that you all deal with the issue of the courthouse being compatible to the development of Baltimore.

Just reality tells me, though, if GSA and the Administrative Office of the Courts were not willing to make the $74 million investment when they had $1.5 billion available to be spent...

There is no money for new construction. All of our 2011 projects are now 2012 projects.

So there's not a concern about terrorists or blasts?

You've got to have a plan for Baltimore here, one way or the other.

We have a debt ceiling limit crisis that's looming in the next 2 months.

We should be paying attention to your existing inventory of space to make sure it's adequate before we're constructing new space.

I just point out there was money available from the recovery funds, and to me that was a missed opportunity.

It says that GSA lacked sufficient oversight and control to ensure that courthouses were planned and built according to authorized size.

That's also, it looks like, for planning. We were also the largest single project in 2006, fiscal year 2006, at $30 million for strictly the design.

At what point do you come to the conclusion that you just are throwing good money after bad, that it just doesn't pay to try to fix a building, but to replace it?

It's outrageous that we have to have people check the toilets at the end of the day to make sure they're set right.

The building engineer report determined the building to be in fair condition...

A high priority--and I have to be clear about this and I can't back away from it--is the question, is there enough space in the building to hold the people that have to work there.

It's a tough job to be a judge, but then taking on this responsibility in addition to it, God bless you.

I'm a little confused. The two issues you raise deal, as I understand it, deal with prisoners?

The world has changed since 1976.