I was involved in a program called Man To Man where we would go down to Lorette Reformatory which was a pit.

I think the initial purpose of the faith based was that the churches, the synagogues, the mosques would then come around the person once they left the prison so there was a continuity.

Would it make sense to take some of the money that we have under the incarceration punishment category and shift it into rehabilitation but also shift it into rehabilitation after they leave?

You cannot have a person come out and not have a job.

Well, maybe what we could do, Mr. Chairman, if my amendment is successful to be carried and we can convince the Congress, we could take the money that goes into Prison Industries and thus reclaiming industries that are no longer in the…

I think you just solved the answer of prison rehab-- I think that is the answer.

I think we need a best practices list and someone has to say what are the most successful programs.

the gang issue, if you are part of a gang and you come out, you may then--if you are having a hard time, and the comment I wanted to make is I guess you are going to have a harder time now with the economy being what it is.

You do better by spending money to make certain that there are supportive families and supportive communities.

If we want to fight crime we have to do what the research tells us.

I think the fact that you have this panel probably makes these hearings well worth it.

There must be a tremendous amount of reinvestment, not just in terms of whole dollars.

The question, I think, for state legislators across the country, is what is the balance between funding for incarceration and funding for reinvestment in the community?

I think your unemployment rate is 10 percent.

I believe it would be important to bring more work into the prisons.

I think faith makes a big difference. John Newton wrote Amazing Grace. The faith issue was the issue that changed him.

And actually, you know, for three old guys, you were fairly exciting insofar as laying out what the opportunities are insofar as really making a difference.

How well do we honestly do?