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Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Yes. And the In re Quirin case, which Hamdi cited and affirmed, was a fact pattern that went as follows: We had German saboteurs, some living in America before they went back to Germany--I think one or two may have been an American…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

If I may just add--not only is that the effect, that would be a change in law because the Senator agrees with me that in other conflicts, prior to the one we are in today, American citizens, unfortunately, have been involved in aiding the…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Not only would I agree that 1032 and 1031--the compromise language about statement of authority to detain and military detaining as a presumption--has nothing to do with the choice of venue, there are people on my side who are champing at…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Yes. It is not only a presumption that can be waived, based on what the experts in the field think is necessary; the waiver provision is incredibly flexible. You do not have to stop an interrogation to get the waiver. The executive branch…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Madam President, I thank Senators Levin and McCain for drafting a compromise that I think speaks to the best of this country. To my colleagues, please don't upset this delicate balance. If you do, you will open a Pandora's box. Mr. McCAIN…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

The Times Square Bomber, nobody interrupted that plot. The guy did not know how to set the bomb off. We are lucky as hell the bomb did not go off. So do not stand here and tell me that we have got it right, because we have not. And here is…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Is this a fair statement: If it was your goal to prevent military commissions from ever being used, you didn't get your way in this legislation. If it was your goal to mandate that military commissions are the only venue to be used, you…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

So the issue is pretty simple. Our courts at the highest level--the Supreme Court has acknowledged that the executive branch has the legal authority to hold an American citizen who is collaborating with an enemy as an enemy belligerent to…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Simply stated, when the American citizens in question decided to give aid and comfort to the Nazis, I am very glad they were allowed to be held by the military and interrogated about the plot and what they knew, because intelligence…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Exactly. I would add, and get Senator Kyl's comment. Wouldn't it be an absurd result if you can kill an American citizen abroad--Awlaki--whatever his name was--the President targeted him for assassination because he was an American citizen…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

And to conclude this colloquy--I enjoyed the discussion-- I am not saying our law enforcement or military intelligence community cannot read someone their Miranda rights. I will leave that up to them. I am saying Congress should not take…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

The Hamdi case cited In re Quirin for the proposition that an American citizen who provides aid, comfort or collaboration with the enemy can be held as an enemy combatant. The In re Quirin case dealt with an American citizen helping the…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Is the Senator familiar with the efforts by German saboteurs who landed--I believe, in the Long Island area, but I don't know exactly where they landed--during World War II, and they were aided by American citizens to execute a sabotage…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

Does the Senator agree with me that our Supreme Court ruled then that when an American citizen decides to collaborate and assist an enemy force, that is viewed as an act of war and the law of war applies to the conduct of the American…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

So the law, at least since 1942, by the Supreme Court has been that if someone decides as an American citizen to join forces with enemies of the United States, they have committed an act of war against their fellow citizens. It is not a…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01
Lindsey Graham
@lindseygraham· Republican · SC· Dec 1, 2011

I am of the view that we are overly criminalizing the war. I don't want to adopt that policy. There is nothing in this language that has anything at all to do with how you try somebody and what venue you pick. I am in the camp--and I think…

Congressional Record · 2011-12-01