David Gergen actually said...

"It really -- it does send a signal, at least a couple people in the inner circle. And Paul Manafort was in the inner circle as a chairman for a period of time. They just can't deny that."

"I think this was a vulnerability that Trump had, because he wasn't counter fighting a system. So he didn't have the powerful inner circle of people who really knew what was going on in Washington advi..."

"Does this add to a sense that there was an intent just as David Axelrod said, was there a motivation on the part of the president to shut Mueller down?"

"It could be -- as I say, it could be -- it could have weight to a case against the president."