05/04/1961
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"You want us to abolish it, right?"
"But then you've got to get the head out. The baby's dead, but maybe not, maybe it's still in pain."
"I thought we were here about protecting mothers and killing babies."
"Yes. And first, the doctor would dilate the cervix and then the doctor would take what's called a--the doctor would call it a Sopher clamp."