Now the stated intention behind the 14(c) program is "to prevent the curtailment--to prevent the curtailment of employment opportunities for individuals with disabilities."

However, in our efforts to ensure that individuals with disabilities find employment and economic self-sufficiency, we obviously must draw a bright line in prohibiting and preventing employers from taking advantage of these vulnerable…

do we need to more narrowly define who might be eligible for a 14(c) subminimum wage?

Now again, as Mr. McKeon said, the vast majority of 14(c) applications are from nonprofits.

I don't mean to suggest that they are nefarious employers, but merely because they are not for profit and really because they are running a sheltered workshop does not mean that they wouldn't try to cut corners in a way that would harm…

I think beyond that would be to actively engage these entities into looking into these instances to see if people are not being paid.

Yes, well, that also gets into this whole area of penalties that you were talking about.

But if it goes to the private bar, a private attorney wants the highest settlement possible. That is how they make their money.

We need individual assessments of personal abilities in terms of different job sectors and jobs that they could do.

Well, like I said, that is what we are going to do. We are going to change this law some way.

I think we also need to strengthen the penalty system so that people do know that if they get caught, they are going to get severely fined.

How do we stop something like this? How do we make it more reasonable?

There are also many workers with significant disabilities who are every bit as productive as the workers without disabilities, and our laws must be tightened to ensure that employers cannot use programs like 14(c) to take advantage of this.

So we have to do all we can to promote employment for persons with disabilities. People with disabilities working have dignity and purpose.

I think maybe some financial incentives and bonuses might be a thing that we could do.

What sense does it make if you have the authority for school lunches in the lunchroom or in the cafeteria, but you can go right outside the door and there are all the vending machines.

I was one of the honorary co-chairs of the National Breastfeeding Coalition.

And one word I would add is how we leverage, leveraging money.