So in other words, when you do the hand searches, the passenger is always there?

They need to have some attention paid over there.

I just do not accept it, and I just want to push a little harder on the point.

Absolutely. It is huge.

Well, I am very happy to hear that, Mr. Stone, because the prior folks were fairly close, but I think Admiral Loy--and I met with him, and I am very impressed.

I believe in my heart if there is just one more incident like the one--the several we had on September 11th...

I would like to hear from all of you on the added costs.

It seems to me if the Federal Government's taking over security at airports, then it needs to--

Mr. Stone--and again, you are just so nice to take on this job of answering for people who are not here--why is there no plan for Sacramento?

But the costs far, I think in terms of security, outweigh the extra time that is going to be spent to resolve the error rate on ETDs.

I am very concerned about Sacramento. I think Sacramento has been neglected.

I am going to fight against changing the law.

I mean, my question is, why does the passenger have to be there when you do the trace, even with a third of the problems?

I said, what is the rate? What is the percentage failure?

If the problem is--and let me just take this to Mr. Stone--if the problem is, in terms of the movement, that there are all these passengers around, I just want to ask you this question.

Smaller international airports, they do not get the attention.

So we have a disagreement on the failure rates. How do you base your numbers, Mr. Martin?

I want to assure you, as a member of the traveling public, that a little inconvenience is not going to worry me.